Re: [K12OSN] Re: MOSIX

Richard Camp (rcamp@campworld.net)
Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:32:35 -0800 

Well,

And I thought I was going to be a troublemaker.  Even my slashdot didn't 
get that bad.

I've been playing with mosix for over a year now.  I don't remember how 
many kernels I've compiled, tweaked, and/or destroyed.  Documentation 
has been lacking.  From my point of view I can not tell what direction 
MOSIX is going in.

The existence of OpenMosix was brought to my attention by James and the 
a couple of people on the OpenMosix team.  I see a clear position and 
goals for this project.  The project better meets my goals.

The goal I am aiming for is a distribution CD.  I want to let the 
average linux user who has never compiled a kernel before to set up a 
cluster.  My HOWTOs are just the first step.

Time and money permitting I would like to write a book covering the 
building of a cluster from the junkyard to running on the desktop.

Its been a busy couple of weeks but a K12LTSP+OpenMosix howto with pre 
compiled kernels and an install script are coming soon.

just my $0.02

Richard Camp

James Jensen wrote:

> Thanks Jim, that really means a lot to me coming from you.
> 
> In case anyone is new to K12LTSP or this list and is not aware, Jim
> McQuillan is "the man" when it comes to Linux Terminal Server Project.
> 
> http://www.ltsp.org
> 
> His work and efforts are really the backbone of the whole project.
> Indispensable.  It makes it possible for a geek like me to take a 486 and
> turn it into a working, usable workstation in 2002.  I constantly tell my
> windows-using friends that Linux allows me to do things that I would *never*
> be able to do or afford using proprietary software (*cough, W*ndows,
> cough*).  I'm sure you all have similar experiences.  The great thing about
> this list is that we get to share our knowledge making it work even better.
> 
> I remember not too long ago a call was made for documentation.  Where are we
> today?  What can you do or have done with K12LTSP or LTSP in general that
> you can share with the rest of us?  Maybe you will save someone hours, even
> days struggling to get this or that piece of hardware to work with the
> system--just by posting a few notes.
> 
> Please don't be deterred by this thread.  Let's go forward in the spirit of
> the Open Source movement and continue to make it all the better.  I hope I
> can contribute again.  Perhaps I will be a little more careful in my wording
> next time.
> 
> I'm a geek, what can I say.  I want to make things work better and faster.
> When I get something working, the first thing I do is get the word out.  I
> just need to be a little more focused in how I do that I guess.
> 
> Thanks again Jim,
> 
> James Jensen
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: "James Jensen" 
> Cc: "David D. Huff Jr." ; "Richard Camp"
> ; 
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: MOSIX
> 
> 
> 
>>James,
>>
>>I just read through your HOWTO on OpenMosix and LTSP.
>>
>>It has to be one of the best HOWTO documents i've read.
>>
>>It's very concise and clear, detailing how you setup your
>>OpenMosix environment.
>>
>>Keep up the good work.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jim McQuillan
>>jam@Ltsp.org
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, James Jensen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mr. Huff:
>>>
>>>I was excited by the prospects of someone e-mailing me regarding MOSIX
>>>and/or OpenMosix when I saw your message appear in my in-box.  That
>>>excitement very quickly turned to dismay as I read the contents of your
>>>message.
>>>
>>>I will try to be brief.
>>>
>>>If you (or anyone else) will please direct me to a document, statement,
>>>
> or
> 
>>>other information that clearly states that the MOSIX clustering system
>>>currently available at http://www.mosix.com is Open Source or Free
>>>
> Software
> 
>>>(as defined at http://www.gnu.org)  I will gladly amend my how-to and
>>>correct any misunderstanding that I may have inadvertently caused.  In
>>>
> all
> 
>>>sincerity and without any malice towards anyone I posted all of the
>>>pertinent information that I could find on the issue.  You state that I
>>>
> am
> 
>>>spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.  Well, as I clearly state, I
>>>
> *am*
> 
>>>uncertain about the status of MOSIX as OpenSource software.  Without
>>>
> clarity
> 
>>>on that point I would think that anyone implementing MOSIX should obtain
>>>permission to do so from the copyright holder, Amnon Barak.
>>>
>>>Now, as to your personal attacks on myself.  I have no earthly idea
>>>
> where
> 
>>>you are coming from.  I have no hidden agenda to promote one system over
>>>
> the
> 
>>>other.  I represent no special interest groups.  I just found OpenMosix
>>>quite easy to install and completely Open Source in it's licensing as I
>>>indicated.  If MOSIX is also Open Source then I have nothing against
>>>
> anyone
> 
>>>utilizing it.  If it is not Open Source then again I would have to think
>>>that it would be imperative that an organization obtain permission from
>>>
> the
> 
>>>copyright holder before implementing the system--not only for legal
>>>
> reasons
> 
>>>but simply out of respect for someone who has created a marvelous piece
>>>
> of
> 
>>>software!
>>>
>>>Finally, I deeply regret and totally refute your insinuation that I am
>>>anti-Semitic.  You don't know me any more then I know Mr. Barak (MOSIX)
>>>
> or
> 
>>>Mr. Bar (OpenMosix), how could you possibly come to such a conclusion?
>>>
>>>Look, David, if you will research the archives of the K12OSN, and the
>>>original K12LTSP mailing list you will see that my interests have only
>>>
> been
> 
>>>to obtain information on how we might optimize an LTSP client/server
>>>
> setup
> 
>>>with MOSIX (and now OpenMosix) clustering.  I see from your note that
>>>
> you
> 
>>>have experience in installing MOSIX to LTSP.  Where were you when we
>>>
> needed
> 
>>>you brother?  We could have used a How-To from someone with experience
>>>
> way
> 
>>>back.  That's what Open Source is all about to me, sharing ideas, giving
>>>back, making it work better.  That's *all* I was trying to do.  Give
>>>
> back.
> 
>>>I sincerely apologize for offending you or anyone else with my how-to,
>>>
> and
> 
>>>please (again), if you or anyone else has documentation stating that
>>>
> MOSIX
> 
>>>is in fact still Open Source or Free Software, please let me know.  I
>>>
> will
> 
>>>publicly apologize for my error, and amend my how-to with the
>>>
> corrections
> 
>>>that need to be made.
>>>
>>>Finally, this was my *first* How-To.  I was pumped.  I was excited.
>>>OpenMosix worked, and it was so easy to install on the K12LTSP
>>>
> distribution.
> 
>>>I just wanted to get the word out to all the great folks on the list.
>>>
> Like
> 
>>>I said in the How-To, I am responsible for any mistakes and I will
>>>
> gladly
> 
>>>correct them if need be.  But I will say this, I have serious
>>>
> reservations
> 
>>>about *ever* posting another How-To again.
>>>
>>>Well, that wasn't so brief I guess.  I want to close by thanking the
>>>
> people
> 
>>>that make it work: The guys that put together the folks at RedHat for
>>>
> their
> 
>>>great product, the guys that put together the K12LTSP distribution
>>>(incredible!), Jim McQuil for the LTSP system in the first place (and
>>>
> the
> 
>>>excellent documentation that he has for it too!), Mr. Barak for the
>>>
> original
> 
>>>MOSIX system, Mr. Bar for the OpenMosix system, and finally Richard Camp
>>>
> for
> 
>>>his original How-To on getting it all working together.  Thanks guys!
>>>
>>>James Jensen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "David D. Huff Jr." 
>>>To: 
>>>Cc: 
>>>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:47 PM
>>>Subject: MOSIX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another FUDster in action! As this link provides:
>>>>http://k12ltsp.org/ltsp-om5.html
>>>>
>>>>Non specific claims about MOSIX not being OSS, well well, even when it
>>>>comes to helping children, someone has the nerve.
>>>>
>>>>Does it really matter? Since you got the idea from the original
>>>>
> article
> 
>>>>anyway? Or do you have something against a Jewish Professor from
>>>>
> Isreal?
> 
>>>>It is nice to have choice but not at the expense of others. Unless you
>>>>know well the Professor's intentions concerning the welfare of
>>>>
> children
> 
>>>>in the United States and around the world, keep your nefarious
>>>>
> comments
> 
>>>>to yourself. This type of self promotion is un-called for.
>>>>
>>>>It would have served your cause just as well to explain some of the
>>>>advantages of using OpenMOSIX instead of insinuating Fear Uncertainty
>>>>and Doubt.
>>>>
>>>>I have always appreciated the work that has been done with these
>>>>publications but detest their usage by special interest groups under
>>>>these condidtions.
>>>>
>>>>And, yes I do have a personal interest. I host and support the site
>>>>
> for
> 
>>>>the school where my wife teaches. Running on 'real' MOSIX kernels.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>David D. Huff Jr.
>>>>President
>>>>Computer Critters Incorporated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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