Re: [K12OSN] MailList Question

Kirk Rheinlander (kirk@kpj2.com)
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:38:55 -0600 

Well, from my perspective, being a religious reader of the email on this 
list, I find it extremely disconcerting to read a message with embedded 
includes that have never been posted on this list, in the middle of a 
discussion thread......and to avoid this, you have to "REPLY TO ALL" 
duplicating the traffic (some would call that "spam") and then have receive 
2 messages for every one that you post, resulting in manual clean up, time 
wasting, etc.

Or you manually move the CC: to the To:, deleting the existing To: - this 
is getting to be more work than it is worth! (OK, not quite, but really 
tedious - it is moving down the priority scale due to the extra effort)

If someone thinks that this is the way it is supposed to work, then someone 
has a warped sense of mail list management (IMHO).

Kirk

At 05:26 PM 4/15/2002, jam@McQuil.com wrote:
>Kirk,
>
>The double messages is normal.  Although I don't like it
>either.
>
>Some people who setup mailing lists, believe that the reply-to
>header should always point back to the individual, rather than the
>list.  So, if you just hit reply, only the original author
>will get the reply, and the list won't.
>
>There's lots of talk about this, and I understand what they
>are all saying, but for me, I prefer all of the dialog
>to go back to the list, so we can have threaded archives.
>
>To me, it doesn't make much sense to have someone ask a question,
>and then the answer and further dialog becomes a private conversation.
>
>I think we all benefit from seeing the questions AND the answers.
>
>So, for lists that DON'T use the list address for the reply-to,
>I strongly encourage you to hit the 'Reply All' button.
>
>That's my opinion, anyway.
>
>Jim McQuillan
>jam@ltsp.org
>
>
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Kirk Rheinlander wrote:
>
> > My primary machines (because I work as a corporate IT consultant) is a
> > Windows laptop - hence the Eudora - but it writes standard UNIX mailboxes,
> > so I go back and forth from KMail.
> >
> > Still, the duplicates messages is a symptom that has only appeared since
> > the maillist moved over to RedHat. It worked fine out of Riverdale.....
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > At 02:43 PM 4/15/2002, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> > > > Kirk Rheinlander 
> > > > Sent by: k12osn-admin@redhat.com
> > > > 2002-04-15 08:35 AM
> > > >
> > > > Am I the only one that is observing this phenomena?
> > > >
> > > > I am reading responses to email that I have not seen (I think!) - 
> at least
> > > >
> > > > there are "embedded includes" that are not from my list of emails.....
> > > >
> > > > A [very] little investigation.....
> > > > Now that the list is at RedHat, when you REPLY - you only reply to the
> > > > sender and NOT the list (or at least that is my observed situation). I
> > > > have
> > > > to do a "REPLY TO ALL" to get the message back to the list, and then it
> > > > duplicates messages to sender AND list - unless I manually change the
> > > > address field. I have noticed a marked increase in redundant 
> messages when
> > > >
> > > > someone replies to me - I get 2 copies.....
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions??
> > > > Kirk
> > >
> > >On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 09:07:10AM -0600, jgonzalez@proligo.com wrote:
> > > > Me, too !!  On the old list, the reply-to was the list server.  Now the
> > > > reply-to is the individual.  If Red Hat could change the reply-to, 
> to be
> > > > the list address, it would alleviate duplicate messages and the full
> > > > discussions can be followed.  If there is a private discussion, 
> then the
> > > > message can be sent only to the individual.
> > >
> > >[rearranged]
> > >
> > >[Please add you comments below the OP, and trim uncommented parts.]
> > >
> > >This is a mailing list FAQ, see
> > >http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/maillist.html#munge_reply-to
> > >
> > >Kirk, you could set the Mail-Followup-To header of your own mails
> > >pointing to the list. That way decent MUAs that respect the
> > >Mail-Followup-To will not send copies directly to you. Since some
> > >people use not-so-respectful MUAs, that will not eliminate the problem
> > >though, so some filtering on your part is unavoidable. Procmail is
> > >probably the most commonly used tool for this (in *nix land, that is,
> > >you seem to use Eudora for MS Windows ;-)
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Hans Ekbrand
> > >
> > >
> > >
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